Covid- 19 What Is Working. What Isn't

 

Hello, everybody. Clean breaks. And today i'm very happy to bring back heidi wilcox. She is a microbiologist, and she is a green cleaning expert.

And with the recent cove, it we thought we'd bring her back because there's a lot of interesting things have been going on both good and negative. And today we're gonna talk to hadi about what we can do in the cleaning world to be better out of it.

So you're not gonna wanna miss this episode. All right? How do you welcome? Hey, how you doing? I'm good. What's happened in the last month? I went started going live and co head and been interesting.

I know this is awesome. Way to get information out. I'm excited. Yeah, i'm really excited by it, too. It's it's it's a lot of fun. It's a little technical, but hey, it's pretty cool. So, um, for those of those that don't know who you are, um, let's just give a little bit a little bit a bit of your background and what you do and and why you do it.

Yeah, thanks. So i'm actually my education or micro biologists and chemists, um, environmental engineer and a chemical alternatives. Expert. Our expert on reducing toxics and pollution um, in processes. So I ran a laboratory for you. The state of massachusetts for almost 20 years doing performance testing, started out military and aerospace and ended up in green cleaning when it came along.

Um and that's where I find myself. And, um I love it because it affects everybody. And my my mission is thio really help people, especially now with co vid clean and disinfect correctly, easily streamlined, cost effective, high efficacy and performance and not have to worry about things like that.

So and help people identifying how toe get new products that are coming at them. Because a lot of facility managers are getting inundated right now and sometimes you don't know what to ask. So the about me slide is up. So yes, i'm a lifelong new englander. You will hear no, ours. I can pocket got harvard yard easily, um and so i'm based in the data data proof the proof of concept in the data because it doesn't lie whether it's good or bad.

Um, I am also a great proponent of technology, especially now during co vid. We need to find more time, the disinfect and sanitize. So if technology could help save time during cleaning and removing soils and pathogens and that's where i'm all about sustainability. Right now, it's time for everybody to actually embrace it, you know, reduce solid waste and reduce things that we put out to the environment.

And then now, because of covitz supply chain matters. So what products are using where you're getting them from, and will you be able to get them in the future?

So very cool. Yeah, I know we're gonna get to it. But last time we spoke, there were some really interesting data you had with bacteria counts and stuff which we're gonna get to, which I really thought was really kind of something that I wanted to articulate and use your expertise toe let the marketplace no.

But some of these results you're getting and something that the different tools that you're using to get these results so we'll definitely get to that. Um, so one of things you say there and it's one of the things that that I learned going to school at business school before I went to business school went to this school about 10 years ago. Graduated before that, I used to make all my decisions just oh, my god.

And where you come in and where I understand it from, um, when you have the data, then you can analyze the data and then make your decision based on your gut, but also the data.

So that's really one of the things I wanted to bring you on a. Well, it's because you have the information. You have the data on cove it that we both could look at it from both a perspective on how to protect ourselves and then also, from a perspective on cleaning to help protect our customers and clients.

Um, yeah, it's a really hard time right now. And the confusion and the fear is even assign now, as I think, as it was in february and march in april when it began.

And that's concerning to may. Yeah, there is a lot of confusion for sure, and I would say at times i'm confused, to be honest, you know, like like you know, sometimes, you know, like like yeah, it's just a lot of confusion cause you hear there's people that's really sickening here. You know, selling god, and they're back on the football field a week later. So things all over the place. And so I thought it was a really good to bring you back on and and really kind of go on how to protect ourselves.

Yeah, but also, um, you know, I one thing I noticing i'm from can I don't know about over there. What i'm noticing is I noticing that cove is on everyone's mind. And I noticed that places are having their spray bottles and people are wearing their masks and stuff.

But I don't notice people investing in cleaning more. So as an apple, this office building i'm in. Obviously, there's washrooms here and stuff like that. Um, I have not seen it. A clean increase in cleaning e haven't seen people here.

I'm sure they come on the weekend, but that has not changed. Yeah, I changed my processes, and I use the washroom. I have my own things. I bring and stuff.

Um, so there's kind of that disconnect, right? Like people are investing in and bring in, paying their cleaners more to come in and clean eso there's that disconnect. And that's really why I thought some of the tools we're gonna talk about and stuff is really, really important right now because people don't have the budget to invest in more cleaning. But at the same time, we need to yeah, that time a really good point.

And the factors and that is that's what people are seeing now and looking at. There's a lot of, um, wherever you go, whether it's a restaurant or a website or whatever people are touting, you know, we've increased our cleaning and disinfection, or this and that and the other thing.

But have they really right? So so and then if you don't see people. So when I i've been working with people on how to open how to handle this turn cove in what to do, you know, more or less.

And basically I keep telling people this is the time for everybody to step up and do what we were always supposed to be doing right, which is during the you know most of cleaning is done at night, when there's less people around, our facility is closed.

But during the day we should be seeing people wiping down fixtures, wiping down escalator. You know escalator holds and elevator buttons and other things. And if we're not seeing that, then that should be concerning to people like you said, whether it's an investment in moving your people around or adding another person or half a person or something like that.

Ah, lot of what can help people with their fear, especially in the workplace, is to see this stuff being gone. So, you know, I don't need people to be going in with a spraying back machine in the bathroom every hour, but I would like to see them with the flat mop. I'd like to see them micro fiber in a spray bottle. I'd like to see them, you know, for their customers and the people using the facilities to see people wiping down the matches and the handles and the sink. You know, if they're not automatic and and that should be seen, and if not, as someone that uses a building, I would question management or whatever.

Whoever's cleaning in there, especially now during covert high touch points, are a big deal, right? So, yeah, and you bring up a good point cause I was speaking with steve. Ask in a few weeks ago, and he's gonna be doing a webinar tomorrow. I'll just gonna give everyone the link to it. At the end of the show here, he had a really good interesting point is, you know, like, increase your cleaning times, but you don't have to be crazy about right. Like like as an example. If you're in a building, maybe you don't need to increase.

You only need to increase your clean times between seven and eight when everyone's going on the elevator to work. Maybe you're cleaning that more, but you don't need to change it from 9 to 12. Right then it's lunchtime, so you don't have to come back to go. I have to clean all the time all day. No, I so steve is a friend of mine, and we work together, and I respect him highly, and he's right.

I keep saying a lot of times we don't need a chemical bomb. We don't need toe. This is where people that weren't doing what they were supposed to do before there's money, there's grants. There's other things out there for cove. In to now, take advantage to step up and either hire trainers or hire someone to help you with your standard operating procedures or your products of your equipment and upgrade a little bit.

But it doesn't. You don't need to go nuts cove. It actually is killed very easily. So it's not about really killing the covert. It's about stopping it from entering your facility.

And, you know, if someone has it and they don't know and like you said, they get in in the morning and use the elevator at lunch or whatever we want to be, you know, really targeting those times that matter.

And maybe it's just your day porter has to do one or two more rounds around the building. It shouldn't be a huge deal. We're not saying to redo everything, but we are saying that you know you wanna up your frequency because we wanna get those high touch points, especially when people are like you said. I mean in the building in and out of lunch, but leaving the building it five or six, right, so he's right and I agree with him and I say the same thing. We need to worry about transmitting it. Maurin keeping healthy so there's transmitting it and doctors in the health care.

And how do we help people get, you know, not get sick or get better? And then it's about what we do. Which was how do we if it enters, deal with it and kill it, you know, and deal with things like the enlist in the in the processes and procedures and things like that, and it does not have to be fancy. It does not have to be complicated.

Yeah. Good advice. Good advice. So we're gonna move to the next slide here, um, which I find some really interesting stuff from the last time we spoke. So, um, maybe talk a little bit about what we know works because we see, uh, way see all different types of things and hear different types of things. So what do we know? Works for sure.

Eso first. I want to just tell people that you know what we think may work today may not work in two weeks. This is a very short time in science. It's about nine months, and I know people are frustrated and they think the media is lying to them or whatever, but it truly is.

We're trying to figure things out. So what we do know is that mask do work in the point of they stop your droplets from getting to other people when they stop people's droplets from getting to you. I just saw me on facebook where someone tried to explain about a mask and the fact that they said, well, if someone walks up thio without pants and pees on you, you're gonna get right.

If they if you have pants on, you're gonna get less wet on your skin. If they have pants on, you're definitely going to get less wet from their p.

So it's really about the mask is just a blanket in this thing. It's a barrier. It's it's whether it's a trash bag, a blanket, a condom or whatever.

It's a barrier or really think about it for covert things that we use. You know, we wrap up our yeah, put in the refrigerator, but we were, you know, and this is it.

So the number one way to get any sort of pathogen like this and we need to understand the public needs toe really make the connection that the cold and the flu virus of both coronaviruses so they transmit the same way. They act a little differently, obviously. But the droplets, the respirable droplets and going out when you're sick and going toe work when you're sick causes these spreads.

And that's what we know. And now, with co vid, people are starting to pay attention to that and not be asked not to goto work and be asked toe work remotely. And that's a great thing for any of these pathogens including, say, the norovirus, which is probably as continuous as coronavirus with stomach flu. But often, you know, we people go out with it.

So the mask is one thing I know. People think it's a civil liberty thing. I don't like it either. You know, it's just what it is, though, if you're gonna be in public, protect yourself and think about it this way.

If you have children and you need to go outside your house and you have elderly or you have people that you care about and you have to go outside the house and they don't if you don't take your precautions and you brought this disease back to them, could you live with yourself?

And that's what I want people to just ask themselves, and then things like you know, I like to have a good time is well, as everybody else.

But going out to a bar, going out to drink, keeping that math down, talking loudly. These are all things that help, you know, transmit the virus. Can you, you know, go to someone's house where you have space and and and be able to sit fire apart and and still drink and have fun and meet with people. When I was just on a trip last week, we had four people, and when we went to a restaurant, we either got a private room.

We asked for a table away from everybody. We got a 8% table for four people, right? So there's just little tweaks you could do. But this slide shows clearly.

This has been going around for months, probably since april or may. This was a lab technician that did this. She put a mask on and cough on a plate, and she took her mask off and coughed on a plate. So the right plate with all the colonies on it, it's not po vid, but it's whatever bacteria was in her mouth, good or bad.

And the left one is when she had just a regular cloth mask on on it and 95 she coughed. And there's nothing on the mask on the on the plate.

And that's the point. It's a barrier, and they can't get any more clear than this, um, social distancing very hard when you with people that, you know, a lot of states and governors and other people are saying, please do thanksgiving different this year. Immediate family and I have to agree with that. I cooked thanksgiving, and i'm not happy about having less people. But you know, my cousins, I only see twice a year who I know very well. I don't know what your day to day is. Eight are, I don't know.

So, you know, we could be asking for trouble on the biggest thing about cove. It is that, you know, it could be dormant in somebody for, like, 10, 14 days. And I just read an article about a woman at a nursing home that had it, and they found she was contagious for 70 days. Seven.

Wrap your mind around that, and if they didn't know it and just thought she wasn't contagious anymore. After 10 or 14, everybody that walked in and out of their her caretakers possibly took that home to people on, then sanitized and wash your hands. It just is. I was not a sanitized person.

I have little bottles of sanitizer everywhere. And, you know, it's just about protecting yourself. And I say somewhere in here you don't need gloves.

You have the mask on. So if you, you know, touch things in your of the grocery store you get, you sanitize, your hands are on the way out and you have the mask on. So you're not touching your face with the dirty gloves, your hands.

So that's really the process. And, you know, just be smart. If we can stop the transmission, we can get this under control. But we were just talking before we got on air.

Right now, you know, we're over 250,000, probably close to 300,000 people dying. Um, we know cove. It's easy to kill on a surface. Like I said, so hiv, one of the most deadliest pathogens we've seen in the last 50 years, we now know it's easy to kill on services. But now we also have medicines and things where people can live with it for decades and have no show of the virus that will happen and possibly happen. Another line was woven, but not in nine months.

Right in what we were talking about. The two vaccines that have gotten a lot of a lot of press in the last few days from, um, madeira and from pfizer, they're showing really great results. And on a two shot protocol, they're showing over 90% um, 90% kill kit down of koven. So it is a really, really promising.

They're getting the distribution lines ready. But we still have to remember their trialing and that, you know, possibly the first shots could be out in 68 weeks. But that's gonna be for healthcare. Military, not the general public.

Right? That's gonna be into 2021. Yeah, one of the things about that I don't know you were coming from canada, so I was watching a report just last week. I go to canada and it's just over 50%. I can't remember the exact number, but just over 50% say that at this point in time, they will not take a vaccine on.

And then they had 12 people. They're talking to different 12 people, and they all have different reasons, and everyone has a legitimate reason. I think the number one reason was they're not sure of the side effects. So you're gonna have a lot of people not take it right now they're going to sit back and watch, you know, if you start growing a third arm, right? So, yeah, I understand that.

And I 100% understand that. You know, there's been a lot in the last say, 5 to 10 years about autism and vaccines, and we know that was proven to be wrong.

And we do have a lot of vaccines out there. So, you know, we've eradicated things such as polio and measles and other things that we've seen come back because people won't vaccinate.

We have to realize that the scientific community has been making vaccines and medicines for a long, long time. And while side effects are an issue, right, um, the flu and pneumonia shots that people get every year are on the line of the vaccine because the flu strain flu mutates every year.

We have to do one every year, right? Because from from australia up to here, we get mutations up to the north america. And that's why we have 50% about, um, efficacy of flu shot. And I tell people it's still worth betting because it's 50% less chance to get it. And then if you get it, it gives you a less symptoms, less severe symptoms.

So i'm recommending I get I get the pneumonia and the flu shot every year because i'm a respiratory person and it helps me. But I recommend it to everybody this year just because it could potentially help.

If you get go over and things like that because they're in the same family as for the vaccine, it's going to be for the general public, that air saying they won't take it early. They're gonna be 6 to 9 to 12 months out anyways, because one just because we have the vaccine and testing it, we don't have.

We have to ramp it up and make all of the all of all of the vaccines we don't take 12 who were going to give it to first. Our military. Our first responders are healthcare are elderly over 65.

So you know us between, say, 18 and 20 and 60 are gonna be the last to get it. Because we're supposed to be the healthiest, right? Unless you have a major underlying thing. So it is good to see if it works.

But if someone offered me the vaccine tomorrow knowing what we've come out with data. So the proof and that where they're seeing 90% you know, efficacy and the test that they're doing, I would take it.

So I understand what people are coming from, but this is serious. And as soon as it's out and available, which again? Not gonna be so the mid at the end of 2020. I'm sorry. Probably for the general populace.

Um, I would take you mean 2021 2021. Yeah. So for us, you know, we do know things like old blood types are getting covered way less than the other blood types. We don't really know why yet, but we do know we do know that minorities, they're getting it more.

And we're still trying to make the connection. And we also do know that about a month ago we had 30 maybe 30,000 cases a day and all of the us, we're up to almost 200,000 day.

Wherever exponential growth, death in hospitals. And now you know what, 50% of capacity? They're gonna a lot of places opening field hospitals again. We're going backwards. Unfortunately, eso again.

Things to remember transmission. Just think about the transmission. People are going inside, so think about your indoor air quality. Those air, the chemicals you use wash your masks.

If it's decent out, open your windows, circulate your air a little bit. Okay, that will all help. And no, you're active ingredient in your chemistry, um, in the commercial industry and when you buy things at home, when many times we have the greatest things in the commercial industry that you still can't get retail.

So you know when you goto target or kroger's or your grocery store walmart or whatever you know, really look at the products and look for things that will be less harmful to you, such as, you know, oxygenated bleach on like chlorine bleach. It won't hurt your conference to your clothes or things like that. Look for citric acid. Lactic acid, you know, in your home is you and your few family members you don't need to chemical bomb your house, clean it, wipe it down, remove a lot of things, and then sanitize and disinfect where you have to.

So let's talk for a sec, for i'm just think, put myself in the mind of most people. Maybe, um, what's the when you say, active ingredients in a disinfectant?

How did they best know that or what? Yeah, so basically, um, you know, commercially, people get sts s and things like that, um, safety data sheets on you look at them and you could talk to your you know, your distributor and your rep and talk to them about the active ingredient.

And it's the thing that does the killing, right? So there's water and these things. There's a lot of other stuff, but there's the one or two or three things in there that does the killing of the pathogens we're talking about.

So the endless has over 400 products on it, and they have active ingredients ranging from chlorine bleach to co ordinary ammonium prom pounds to hyper cloris acid in the other things. And those are most of those 400 things have been grandfathered in because they've shown efficacy against other coronaviruses like sars and the things that we've seen in the past. So they automatically were okayed under the pandemic emergency.

And then there products that have actually some of them have done testing with the lab toe actually also show that they do that in retail. When you go pick up a product by windex, so lysol or anybody else armand hammer or whatever on the front there, they'll say they killed 2 99. 9 or they killed 2 99. 999 and they'll have the active ingredient right on the front.

So if you don't know what it means, you can google it. We all have a cell phone, and if you read something and it sounds bad, then look for something else.

Okay, um, and the other thing is, you know you don't have to go nuts in your house, especially if no one has it clean and buy something that's a good sanitizer or disinfectant that's not highly toxic. So like I said, the oxygenated bleach, the citric lactic acids.

Um, in really cleaning and wiping things down, people ask me what I use. And mostly in my own house. I wiped things down along to remove things because it's just me here.

Yeah. So unless you have a lot of people coming in and out yeah, take it easy. Well, i'm speaking to the building service contractors right now that are using disinfectants and from from a sales guys point of view, um, what i've always learned through the active ingredient just to give you a quick give them a quick little ideas. You wanna have it over 400 parts per million that gives your cleaning power.

So just add the active ingredients is on the front of the label e times it by 10,000 and divide by the dilution rate. And if you come up over 400 you're good. Because usually anything less to be a sanitizer, right? Well, it depends on what it iss right?

Depends on the active ingredient. Ah, lot of things could be sanitizer and disinfectant. And what you are right about is that ah sanitizers generally less concentrated and takes less well time because it's killing to a public health level, not to a total destruction level.

It's killing to a log three or a 99. 9 level of killing, which is really good. It's public health. Disinfectants will be higher. Concentration generally will take a longer time toe work. So they're dwell time, or what's on the label might be for five minutes or 10 minutes instead of one or two for sanitizer.

And that's because we're killing thio. Ah, hi. Ah, five logs. So we're killing toe almost complete destruction. Um, so we want disinfection mostly.

But, you know, sanitizing kills great, too. So if you're in a school during the day and you don't wanna be, you know, spraying around disinfectant all day around the kids, you can sanitize high touch points and then at the end of the night, say, for procedure, we go in and we disinfect everything in east spray and everything like that.

So you know the procedure and the concentration and what we're trying to dio they're all tied together. A lot of times i'll have people contract. Contact me or some of my clients is give me the number of how much time until I can go into a room after I you know, fog or after I electrostatic spray.

And you know I hate it because people think compared to be difficult, but i'm not. Answer is not one answer depends on the size of the room.

What, you're using the application if there's gonna be people in the room after, so it's really there's a lot of nuance and finance to it, and but it still doesn't have to be complicated.

So now I know this slide has a lot of numbers, and some people might just glaze over it. But this is very important slide. And we talked about this last month when we when we got together, and it was it was very informative. So you just kind of just kind of, you know, let me read your responsible, but let anyone recognize what this is and why it's relevant to them.

Yeah, so this is, um, I like data and in the field, um, for disinfection and really trend to show cleaning and killing. We use an atp meter agni triphosphate meter, and what it does is it will give me and idea of, or anybody what's on a surface that's alive. Can't you know it can't go down to tell you exactly what's on the surface so it could be rapes, which are live and produce a teepee. Or it could be staff for e. Coli or cove it right? But what it tells me is it shows the process people are using on just so this was in a heist school that I did a few years ago when I was putting in.

But I considered at the time the best system in the country, which was a creates ozone cleaning and then hyper cloris acid killing or sanitizing is what I did, and what I tried to show was the first column on the left is the one that is in a middle school girls bathroom.

And those were the readings we got for what was live on surfaces in the girls bathroom at the end of the school day. And the ones that are highlighted are very, very, very high.

Okay, 606 111 100. So the media goes upto 10,000. So the higher the number, the more things that are on there s so then the next one is we cleaned with the spraying back machine and national spraying back machines.

Any type are known to save labor and clean better than hand cleaning by 20 to 30%. Those numbers, there s s a and other ones and we know that. So we clean with acquiesce, ozone caddy sprayed it down, vacuumed it up, wiped some things and then I went back and tested.

And just that one cleaning third column shows you the percent removal of the live cells on there that could potentially be harmful. And they're all in the high eighties to the low nineties range.

Okay, so just cleaning. We've done that and people will say to me, well, why do we have to do the last 10 or 15%? Well, when you're talking a billion germs, you know, 100 million or 150 million is a lot.

So the the blue areas there is, um we took a teepee readings after spraying with just 100 ppm. So sanitizer level hyper cloris acid, which is disinfecting based on chlorine, but a neutral ph.

And what we got was another 90 something percent removal and we got a teepee readings in that girl's bathroom. The highest one was 14. So all the readings in there were under 14. Just using a chris ozone and sanitizer.

And this is hospital level. That's hospital level. A teepee readings. So that's the proof that just shows what was on there before. Grossly. What was after cleaning? What was after sanitizing. So imagine.

You know, we have covered. We have the flu. We have norovirus. We bumped this up to 500 ppm to the disinfectant.

And imagine, you know how we're going to keep things in control. And this is something that I put in salt lake city schools in 2000 and 17, and they have been held up. Is one of the best school districts in the country ready for cove it because it is just two products and an electrostatic sprayer.

Yeah. So I was just gonna ask you, maybe just give ah, paint a picture. The best for someone, a desk, whatever. What's the what's the process? What process were you getting to spring? A product wiping it. What were you doing?

Eso what I learned back in 2000 and 17. We've been this is school desk, weren't cleaned every day. So I was fascinated with that because it's a time thing. They're not cleaned every day.

So I a in 98% of schools, probably around the country in the world, the desk, they're not cleaned every day. Now, they probably are because of kobe.

Um, so how we did this is we brought in training. We brought in these product and what we found was that we were able during cleaning, bringing and spraying back and doing this other stuff in the training to stop some of the stops and starts of the process of cleaning in and out of the room.

We were able they do, and they did. In salt lake city, they had a specialist that did the restrooms because some of the teenagers that worked at the high school worked in the system, so they didn't want them around the more toxic chemicals that we usually in the bathroom.

So the supervisor did all of the gang bathrooms, which were eight of them, and then he girls and boys, and then he he did.

I think it was 9 to 12 little private ones. It used to take him the whole night, six hours, bringing in the new equipment in the training.

He was able toe knock 2. 5 hours a night off of in that time, and then they were able to clean every desk every night and disinfect every high touch point in that school every day after putting in the system in the training so it can be done.

If people like you said, want to invest some time and invest some money, you know? And now where you're getting covert grants, go for them, you know, and and add these things to it, even if you're and cleaning your restaurants and you just goto spraying back machine, whether it's clock or nss archive ac or a crease. Ozone with clean core, it's gonna save you some time.

That's where you'll be able to then up your disinfection and sanitizing game. Perfect. Okay, that's some interesting stuff here, up there.

Now this is hand versus machine cleaning, so the hand verse machine is paying a picture. Here. We're talking about obviously spraying with a cloth, and the machine is what type of machine acai vac machine type of thing is a clock click or anything that you spray things down and then you can back them up, and most of you spray and back it up off the floors.

But then, you know you can spray it up, back up the floors, then you can wipe down. You know, uh, porcelain and all that stuff after or with, um, certain certain cleaners episodes, and you could just let it dry.

So I did this for a big international distributor. I mean, a service contractor that was at a airport and we were using the bakery s ozone caddy. And they basically were like, well, why is this different? Or how is this better or whatever? So I looked at a teepee, um, with traditional cleaners and chemistries in a bathroom and how and then I looked at a teepee of cleaning.

Um, and then I looked at it with patty. So what we found is you can see the first to the first in the last columns. Um, they really show us where we can get to with the cleaning of the spray and vat, so you can see, you know, after cleaning hand, we got 8 47 on the top one. Then we have 2 48 and that's just cleaning. That's not even then when we're gonna go back and sanitize and disinfect right so you can see the difference. And it's just because, you know, the spring can get on things faster. The spring is more ergonomic.

People that have hands hand wiping. They may not change their cloth enough. They may cross contaminate. There's a lot of this trigger spring that you know, it's just a lot of time.

So, you know, we wanted I wanted to look at that for them and really prove them why they would want one. Uh, what in c c c c c t cati? What's that?

That's the clean core technology. So there's a company out of omagh hot, and what they did was equus. Ozone, we've never been able to use and and cleaning because it's so biodegradable. Reverts right back toe water and oxygen.

So we needed some sort of piece of equipment to put a generator in tow. Allow it toe work. Eso you can put a crease the ozone in the open bucket.

It's on. Lee gonna last for two hours. We put in a pressurized prayer. It will last to be effective for four hours. And then if we have a caddy, we plug the caddy in. We put water in it.

You press the trigger, but the button press the trigger and a creates the ozone comes out on the man. So that means you buy the caddy. You have all the cleaner you need as long as that cat is working.

And right now, those caddies made in the united states. So supply chain issues are a huge issue on getting things. And, you know, we can't get certain chemical components of, you know, concentrated chemical, clean or disinfectant.

It's nothing against them, but it's a supply chain. And if they can't get out of their country, they can't get into hours with mind shortages. So, you know, people ask me that. So what do I dio?

You know, I can't have my college in my school, in my office building or my airport. I can't not have cleaner sanitizer. Disinfection. So the on site generation, um, is coming into its own. It's been around, but it's just been a different process than we're used. Thio. So that's clean pork addy. This was done in conjunction with the airport and clean core eso that that's the metric that we use. But any spraying back machine does the same thing you know I like equals ozone. But if you get a chi hvac or nss or whatever, and it's gonna help you so highest, okay, so that's that's interesting that that data was huge as faras reductions go now, really, even though it was dining even though it's kind of the middle school, it applies anywhere.

Like I could have been doing that in a an airport and an assisted living in a nursing home or whatever. It's the same process. It would be the same.

And so this slide here, um, just go into this a little bit, yeah, this is a little direct. So, you know, I see that i'm from i'm from north of boston and I say that as a zit is a lot of times I don't sugarcoat things because I really take what we do and, uh, very seriously.

And, you know, I really feel for facility managers and other people right now because they're asked to be a lot of things right there. Asked thio deal with salespeople. They asked thio met products. They're asked to know chemistry there has to know this and training and there's a lot. But, you know, here in massachusetts and 20 miles from my house, there was a death at buffalo wild wings last year because there was an acid products used on the floor and then a chlorine bleach product used on top of it masses. Toxic gasses. Sludge is 13 people went to the hospital and the manager died trying to get that sludge out of the back room of his buffalo wild wings.

The worker that used it did probably did not know that there was acid products in the grout that weren't minced off, and he was just trying to do the right thing. Someone told to use that product and his boss died. He was like 34 years old with a three month old baby and was a newlywed, and it never should have happened.

So companies need to take responsibility even if their franchise company for the chemicals policy and for training and teaching people that buy into their companies. So basically buffalo. Whilst I bet those people were buying their disinfectants in their cleaners from maybe cisco or something. It's the same place they're buying their chicken because they had no guidance, and this is what happened.

So at this point, there's no excuses anymore. If you're doing things because that's how you did them 30 years ago, I don't care.

It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't fly with me. And if you do not want to do the work and hire somebody or research or do whatever they get out of the industry because you're gonna hurt your people, okay, if you don't want to do better than retire, leave and i've told people that to their face and you cannot hide that technology is coming and is in our industry, and you need to embrace it.

If you're using a string mop in a one day bucket, then you need to get with the program and get with a flat mop and get with the tube a bucket you need thio.

Look at look at technology. Look at spraying back. Look at, you know, carbon polls that keep you on the ground and not on a ladder for 30 ft up. To do things you need to look at spray that you need to look at east prayers. You need to look at active ingredients of your disinfectant. Some are more toxic than others, summer for certain situations and not others. And, you know, this is a call to action.

You know, we're all here doing this work because we want to protect people, have it be done effective. And i'm talking to myself.

Well, my other scientific colleagues, you know, manufacturer's rep, sales people. If you don't want to learn and do the hard work, then get out.

Okay? Invest in help. Educate yourself and more is not always better buying. You know, I just went toe one of the best facilities for schools in the country.

Down in the southeast, they just invested half a million dollars, some of the best technology they could ever invest in for their school district. They also had six other cleaner slash disinfectants in their school district that were not necessary.

And these were best of the best, and they were still buying them. Yeah, talking about there are a lot of what you're talking about is you know, when you talk about get away from the string mop and all that stuff is is I think people will when they when they really realized. I think cove is gonna help. But we got a long way to go is we're not cleaning for appearance were cleaning for, for for health, right? And saying that e I just wrote about it today and my blogging that like like we're cleaning for health. And when we get our head around that, then the decisions we make will be different because it's just not oh, shut everybody up because it looks pretty and smells nice, like shoot.

If this guy isn't disinfecting properly, then my kid's gonna get sick or employees gonna get sick and they're gonna have sick days, and then they're gonna have, you know, I don't know or even cleaning properly. So where I just waas they had s o ps and to clean their floors, part of the s o ps was to scrape up the dirt in the corners of the floors.

Well, that's happening because they're using a one day bucket and putting dirt on the floors. If they just go to a tube a bucket, they already have flat lops.

It would, you know, with with a tile curves kind of down on a wall or in the bathroom and you see that darkness that's dirt hiding pathogens.

So we have to clean before we disinfect, because we need to take the hiding places in the food away. But if we were just throwing 30 what I saw when I was in, you know, talking to these 20 people for a couple of days, you know, they have flat mops and they have mobsters with tanks on them. And I said, so why are you using a one big bucket?

Because we have to. We have to. Mom, I said again, you have the you have the tank mobsters. You can have five tanks and cost five bucks apiece on your card.

And you could just keep putting in clean solution and only delivering clean solution to the floor. And, you know, between rooms you can rip off your micro fiber pad and put another one.

I said so again. Why are you using your one day bucket? And they couldn't answer. They just I have to. I have to. I have to.

So what I would recommend to their higher ups and the report that I wrote for them was one switch over to to bait buckets and then do training on the mobsters so we can get rid of that and then get rid of most of the one day buckets and burn the bridge like don't leave the one bays around, right? So that's the recommendation. And once they're trained and that's what they can use and once they get people going, wow, this floor looks great. What are you doing that's gonna motivate people? So it might sound like an obvious question, but I don't think it's all that obvious for a lot of people.

Explain what a tube a bucket is. So generally, most people know, even at home, we use a 111 day bucket. And what that is is you put cleaner in that you put your mop in it. You go out down the floor, you get some dirt up, you put it back in the same bucket and your bucket turns brown right?

So you put in cleaner and dirt back on the floor when you use it that way. Um, the industry has evolved in the last bunch of years, and we have to be back. And so what? That means is you put the cleaner solution in one side and you just have rinse water on the other side. So you go the cleanest solution. Put it on the floor. You mop it up the dirt on the other side with the water.

You put a dirty mop in there and you ring it out. However, the fucking doesn't and then you and you take the dirt out and then you go back into your clean solution so more what you're doing is, you know, 85 to 95% you put in clean solution back on the floor instead of 85 to 90% birth.

So what we get is ah, much cleaner floor and a much cleaner in the corners and in those places where we see it build up in the grow because we're actually cleaning cleaner and not with dirt. So it's two bays, so you can keep the dirt out of your cleaner on. We're talking about the monster that's just like a swiffer at home.

It's like an industrial swiffer. So you have a tank. It goes in the thing you compress, it puts it on a lot of solution, and then you mop it up and when your pad gets dirty like we use micro fiber, we wash them. It's the same thing you ripped that off, say, after half a hallway but another pad on and keep planning. So it's a little bit of a process change.

It actually reduces work because absolutely, yeah, just you think of all the people cleaning today with dirty mobs and put that friend that dirt. You know, they're working very hard and a lot of the people that are working their elderly or very small women and they have toe, they work very hard, and they probably, you know, hurt themselves and strain their muscles, picking up those buckets and bringing out those mops, and it doesn't have to be that way. You know, we wanna help our workers do the work easier so that they want to come to work and do a good job. So, you know a company younger and I don't know if rubbermaid or anybody else is gonna bunger now has a bucket that has a stick it on the bottom so you don't have to dump it.

You open the stick it on the bottom, and it rains. Now eso it took till you know, whatever 2000 and 18 or 19 to get that into our industry, which is so horrible, because if you think about it a bucket with water and it is probably £40 at the least.

Yeah, so, you know, these things are invasions. They are equipment, technology, just like you know, should be should we be wiping flat surfaces on lee with our hand in a micro fiber?

You know, training and other things that we've done in the field have shown. If you have a telescoping, um, pulled with a micro fiber pad on it, you can stand up much greater.

Do you a conference table or do, uh, you know, do the do the glass in the doorway without going like this all the time, the wipe on wipe off. So, you know, it helps the worker bee more comfortable, and it might save two minutes here. Two minutes there, two minutes there.

And, you know, when I worked at clemson ah, couple of years ago and was doing a study for clean core down there, they were looking to implement their caddies, and they wanted to some metrics done.

You know, I talked to the ladies that worked in these three dorms, and they said they felt like they were giving their kids because that's how they felt about those students.

Ah, better clean with with what? They were using the story and want machine now and then. It also saved them an hour shift. They were unions, so they weren't like leaving early and all the stuff. But what they got was they got to take their half an hour of rape and they got to get out on time, and that's what mattered to them.

Well, one of the things I wanted to kind of talk about when this next slide, it's questions to ask about new products and services, which I think why, thank you for this. I just tell a little story.

So I was maybe it was a few weeks ago. About three weeks ago or so I was talking to someone that was head of products for a school board, and she was she was very, um, uh, interest in making sure she was doing the right thing.

And so she told me about a product that was this miracle worker and but they didn't have the budget for that $50 a gallon, and we have $200 a case, which is expensive for those that don't know. And I went to the sts she and it was hidden with all these high terminologies and and and i'm not the most technical as far as high scientific terms, so I didn't really know what they meant. So I coffee and pace to put it into the internet, and I searched. And I was like, this doesn't seem like the, uh the sophistication I think it is. But I did reach out to you, and you got back to me real quickly and and and, uh and I appreciate that, andi, that was what I call a company. Um, just lying.

Uh um, s o there's a when you say here, you know, look at the data, and if someone says the product is good, the lab has done it.

Look, look for the data. Yeah, and, you know, that was a great thing. And I was really I get honored when people actually do reached out to me because i'm here to do that like that's that's what I do and you asked me a question and then you asked me a question again and I didn't take a fence to it because the product had been around for a long time and I was asking if you're sure because they were so sure I was like, you know, many people from that company or that represent that product are being told it's something. It's not a sales. People are just accepting it and they're believing it. So they're very confident and they're going in. And so it's really for me. A lot of times when I worked with distributed when I went to manufacturers, I say it's on you to make sure that your education to your distributed people and other things are really up to par, and this is that's a product that has had some issues in the past, and i've obviously brought people away from it. And just a little caveat on that. I worked with another company a few years ago, and they were going to get on board with that company, and they hired me to drill down into that formula.

And I really did, um, you know, in in in ways, probably someone like I could only dio and and I did find in their formula formaldehyde was something was made as a byproduct, which is a heavy carcinogen.

So basically, at that time, I said I wouldn't go with this product. If I was your company, I would go back to them.

I would tell them what we found, and I would tell them to reformulate products so that the formaldehyde wasn't made. I don't know if it ever was out of that. If it was done, I probably think it wasn't.

But if I could find it, someone else could find it. And that's no joke. That's a carcinogen, usually, yeah, capital that people, um you know, when they're looking at their at their products, their disinfectants, that they choose accordingly and and and and look for the data.

Yes, and this is the wild, wild west to keep telling people. Yeah, and it's like, you know, it's like space travel. It's a wild, wild west back in the day, this is a new cove. It is bringing up all these new questions, and they're really not new questions, the ones we should have been asking. But people are paying attention so when somebody comes to you and says, I want you to look at this product, whether it's a coding that's gonna last three months or five years or it's a disinfectant or it's a cleaner or it's something else and they tell you it does all of this stuff and it is crazy and you'll never need anything else and it's everything I would tell you.

I hope your ears prick up in the hair and your neck goes up because nothing is ever. It's never just one thing. There's there's things about every great product that they have. They're not drawbacks, but they have their limitations.

And, you know, a brochure can look pretty and a video can look pretty and people could talk you into anything. But just like I said earlier, if it's what you always did, that isn't okay anymore. And if it's it just it's pretty and sounds great. That's not okay anymore. There's resource is like you and me and other people out that help you, and that's what I say to people google something. Don't go it on your own.

You're asked to do a lot asked for help. So with your disinfected on this slide. Note back to that slide, please. Um, what you need to look at is the active ingredient which we talked before.

Every active ingredient has a cast number, and that number will be next to it on sts. And you can plug that in and it will into google, and i'll pop up what that product is, and then there should be links.

So a lot of different stuff about that chemical ingredient and you could start to read it. And if you're tells you this stuff doesn't sound good, like you said, believe your gut and ask somebody who can get through that that stuff for you, okay?

And if you it's a fingerprint. So people often say, oh, that's just that that's just that no, it's not. And many times i've had to go to department of house another thing and say, this is the number for this, and this is the number for this, and they aren't the same, just like a book.

You have a nice espn number for a book, and I used to work in publishing, and every book has a phone number and its own fingerprint, so you need to know what you want to kill right now. Everybody wants to kill cove it. But, you know, sometimes it's mercy. If you have wrestling mat, sometimes it's flu and cold during the season. No, what you see in your facility and what you want to kill.

Okay? And look at the products and make sure they kill that thing. I was talking to a dentist, some dentist people the other day. They want to know they want to know tv and co vid and and that's and that's what they wanna know. Tv, tv, tv.

So okay, so know what they do and then look at the toxicity. Look at the warnings. If the warnings on one disaffected and say it's gonna burn, it's gonna this you got to go to the hospital, is gonna whatever.

And another one says it may irritate you. You go with the one this is gonna irritate you and not burn right. They killed the same thing. You go for the one that will do the less damage.

And if any disinfectant ever tells you a sanitizer and their marketing says it's a nontoxic, it's absolutely safe for humans and the environment.

You should walk away. They don't know what they're talking about. By the definition of a sanitizer and disinfectant, they kill things.

They're registered as pesticides, so you could be less toxic and safer. Well, it's interesting, because I had someone talked to me the other day and they're like, what? I have disinfecting, you know, is it safe for animals?

And I said, well, you know, it's a disinfectant. I mean, you know, like, you know, it's a disinfectant. I mean, it's gonna kill your thinking. A pretty mike rules.

Yeah, it's gonna kill what it needs to kill in the kennel. But you need to look at that extra added stuff on. Is it gonna cause a respiratory reaction? Possibly is if it burns our hands, it will burn heads on a dog, right? Or any sort of animal, you know, and then there's about the process.

Are you asking me if you're gonna be cleaning the kennels without the dogs in it? And they're gonna be able to dry and things like that, or are you just, you know, taking them out for recess and play, and then you just want to spray something in there in between it is definitely different.

You know, different dis infections to use, depending on the process. Yeah, aziz, you would say process.

So just as we move on to the next slide, just wanna refresh everyone's memory on one thing. I want real key. Take away. I want them to get from this is the case number c. A. S number.

That's on the sts. She and as you said, which is really good advice I actually forgot about that is take that number punching in the internet and you're gonna find out what it is.

Yeah, just to cast number and the number that's on there. Look at it. And just just like anything else we do, we you know, just just look at what they say. And even as a general person without any scientific background, you know, some things you can read it and make you, you know, get back going. So this is a comparison table that I made just because people kept asking me things and these air just off of these are just facts off of hazard communications or sts s. This isn't me. This is fact.

So it just shows, um, i'm i'm a person that's known for on site generation and known for, um, using products that have not a lot of not on non synthetic chemicals in them. So that would be the a creates ozone we were talking about before, and this type of course acid product that you either need a machine or tablet to make. So it's not a concentrated chemical product is different, but it's registered just like chlorine beach and quaternary compounds.

Um, it kills a wide range of things. It z no rinse food, contacted some concentrations, and then it kills c diff, which is the biggest hospital acquired infection in health care a swell and probably the hardest thing to kill that we test against.

So and this is just comparing the different things. So is that an asthma gin and it cause asthma or hurt your respiratory systems? Chlorine beach and quaternary compounds of both, actually on the a o a c list in the united states that talks about chemicals that can exasperate or cause asthma in one in one exposure in chlorine bleach and quaternary compounds are both on their people. Cloris isn't so the ph, it's just a fact.

13 13 and neutral. Registered? Yes, they're all registered. No rents, fragrances and dyes. You know the reason why fragrances and dyes matter eight on is because one if we don't rinse things enough like, say, carpets.

You can leave those chemicals behind in the attract soil, so you end of attracting more dirt. Things that don't have them don't. But they're also the last bastion of chemistry, really in our cleaners and our disinfectants that aren't reviewed, um, 2020. We were supposed to have them be, you know, put on bottles and disclosed because of covert that's running behind. So it's not disclosed. What's in those fragrances and dyes, and those are the things they're causing. The irritation in the dizziness and some of the neurological problems. So you know, so it matters. If there's, you know, if it's the pink stuff for the purple stuff, for it smells a lot.

It can cause problems. Is it sustainable? What that means is that help us cut down on cardboard and plastic. Okay, five chain issues.

If you buy something that you know you make on site, you don't have to and then superbugs. So I just saw some stuff all over the internet. We're talking about superbugs now because flu and cold season and what that means is mersa. So it's, ah, antibiotic resistant strain of something, which means we have about 28 28 antibiotics, um, in the united states, and basically there are things that have been out in the last couple of years. People go swimming or they're going, you know, and they have a little cut and they're getting these infections or they're going to the hospital of babies.

And they're getting these infections that they can't kill on people having their limbs cut off of their dying because we can't kill them. So the action toe how a disinfectant works.

Is it bashing through the door like the wolf for three little pigs? And they know what's coming, and they can reinforce that door and try to put a lipid out lipid layer out there and protect themselves and then adapt to that?

Or is it like the type of course product, which is it's so close. Toe water. Chemically, the pathogen sells those.

Come on in. Hey, no! And then once it gets in there, destroys from the inside so the pathogens doesn't have any idea how to fight against it. That's a lesser known quality or thing that we should look at.

But we need thio. They're talking that superbugs. They're going to be even more prevalent this year. So, you know, these are the things.

This is just fax. This is very interesting and very knowledgeable and very insightful. Thank you for that. That's now moving on to I think, the last last slide before we, um so, applications, we've talked a little bit.

Ah, lot. Ah, lot about cove it about disinfecting properly. And these were some of the tools. Maybe just share a little bit about the tool on whether bringing for people what's what's happened to them.

Yeah. So the industry mostly knows the spray bottle. That's right there. The red tip there. And we spray spray spray spray spray that can. Ergonomic doesn't get us much out things like that. But we have them.

We can use that in one. Next to in the top, right? Is a pressurized prayer on. We talked about clean core there, a curious ozone increase. Ozone is a very aggressive cleaner.

So this is this bottle that they represent has different seals in it so that, you know, but it can give a better spray. Um, and then we have micro fiber, which is, you know, probably the best invention in our industry in the last 50 years, pretty much because of how it cleans and we can wash it.

And then this orange thing is an electrostatic sprayer. And what that does is what what's been happening over the last five years is we need we know we need to disinfect mawr and trying to get people to do a two step process.

Well, what we talked about, if I can help you save an hour and cleaning, then you know, I i know from from working with an elementary school of st I can do ah, pre k through six elementary school with an electrostatic sprayer in 35 minutes at night so I can sanitize and disinfect those things. The thing with this is that was mr electrostatic sprayer or sprayer and fogging. They're all different terms. People use them, entertain doubly misting. Spraying and fogging are all about the droplet size that comes out of a machine like that orange one.

And the epa has been coming out with some guidance, saying, we don't want you to do it, but we won't prohibit it, and we need manufacturers to put it as a use on the label.

So people have been electrostatic spraying for five or six years. Easy now. It's become prevalent because of cove it and we want to stay. Pray everything down in the election the statics makes makes the droplet in the peace is the tables and chairs in the room.

It makes it attract to each other. Less chemical hangs in the air, and it kind of encompasses like a chair leg, so you don't have to spray both sides.

So it's a great tool for, like your laziest janitor there. Just walk through a rum and we get that coverage right, and we don't have toe wet surfaces because of the electrostatic.

The droplets lay on top of each other, so it's just a fine mist. And then, if you do it it end of night or terminal. You can walk out in a drives in five minutes, and then you can bring people right in. So it's a great tool. Now we're seeing, because the second way people there knowing people can get co vid and other things like the flu in the cold is through the air. So when I back in the day when I was working on my doctoral work, I actually taught aerosol physics with one of my mentors, and it talks about how things move through the air, things moving through the air even though we don't feel it, so you could walk through the air, someone could cough. Covert goes in the air, gets in the hv system, goes around blah, blah, blah, and then you're down the hallway and you could walk into it and get it right. That's how we that's what we know.

So now we have people that are dry fogging, so very, very, very small droplets electrostatic. This is about 40 to 60 micron, which is a decent sized droplet, and but five micron is what we call dry fogging because it doesn't actually with things it gets in cracks and crevices.

So if you have high ceilings in your building or whatever it gets into those all higher cracks and crevices in things like that, so but mr the sprayer in the fog or three different things we really don't want to miss, because that's just throwing stuff in the air and waiting for it to fall.

We really want to elect the static spray or dry fog. And then again, it's about the procedures and things like that. And electrostatic spraying is great again because it wraps things around. But you know, there's due to toxicity and really for the worker more than anything. At this point, we want to look at the toxicity, the active ingredients in your disinfectants. And for me, I really only recommend hyper flores acid, which we saw in the last slide because of its lower toxicity and its neutral ph.

Because you can spray it and, you know in a room is going to get on the carpet. I'm gonna get on the whole street, and it won't take the color out of those things because the neutral ph well, a number of months ago I was actually at at a distributor having to talk, and he had a sprayer. I believe it was electric stack 100% positive, and he was standing there, and he was spraying right in front of me and spraying over equipment. That and showing me it and I was down there and I could feel me breathing in the chemical.

Yeah, and didn't feel good. I said all I could feel that. And he looks at me and he goes, no, you can't like, you know, kinda like you don't know what you're feeling, right, right, and and that. So I see a lot of people spraying stuff all over the place, and it's a little concerning because I understand why.

But, um, you know, even the person spring it right if they're not got a mask on whatever, you're definitely breathing that breathing that in, like for sure.

So it's definitely that's a great point. So I have asthma due toa having pneumonia when I was younger. So it's really, um that's why I get the flu shot in the pneumonia shot, because I just get very respiratory.

Um, if I walk. Yeah, I used to walk into my best friend's house and he loved bleak in my chest, would seize up, and I could go into, say, bj's a costco and the pesticide i'll I got I couldn't walk down it same thing, so everyone will have different reactions. And even when I talk about hypochlorite is is the great and whatever.

There will be people that will be allergic to chlorine, and it will bother them. And we will have to look for an option. Nothing is gonna be okay for everybody, but it's also on the process and procedure spray. Excuse me from the back of the room out using electrostatic and not a mr that's just gonna hang things in the air. You the dry fogging that should be a machine goes in, you set it, you walk away and you let it fog and then you pull that out.

I have been an airplane hangar where they have fogged the entire thing with a less toxic disinfectant and not affected any of us at all. Um, but we can't do that because that's regulated on the fda, right? Technically, we were dozing ourselves with a disinfectant, and that falls on the fda. So that's a big planet. And that's what I get a lot of times is, well, how do we do it? How quick can I get into it?

And like I said earlier, tell me what equipment you use and tell me what disinfected using tell me your process and tell me what type of facility. And i'll either help you change it so you can do it well, or i'll give you you know what I think of the pros and ponds of what you're doing and educate you so you can make your decision to stay with what you have. But you've been given right, the information on whether you should or shouldn't.

And then that's up to you. And when I work with clients, you know, I hold a hard line and I say, you know, you do as a company will on lee, you know, recommend this and put this on your label. If you don't agree with me and you're not gonna do that, then I walk away. Because if they did hurt somebody because they don't wanna follow the right protocol, i'm their scientific person is going to come back on me.

So there's a lot of things that happened right now, right that we have toe. And like I said in that slide, if you don't want to do it and get out like it is a very difficult time right now. But, you know, I do more research to double check myself than ever.

I spend everyday reading two hours worth of co vid reports and things from scientific places that most people won't see. And just look at what's going on to educate myself.

And when, you know, and things like the sprayers and the foggers, the data isn't there. I will give everybody what I know and what i've done from the field when we know from now.

But i'm getting ready to go toe, you know, to go to a lab right now and do fog testing. I'm also going to a lab in military aerospace to test.

You know, if we're gonna fog and a rum say, ah, hotel that has ah, he me and a lamp in a clock in it. I need to do testing on whether you can fog those rooms. And if those electron ics, they're gonna fail in a month, right? Because if not, then the companies that get into the equipment in the chemistry are gonna be sued from millions and millions of dollars. So I take it very seriously, and sometimes I think people think i'm just being that difficult new england woman, but it's really about looking at the variables and protecting the people.

But I consult with and that asked me questions just as if they were my own family. And this is why I do what I do. Those two dogs are my babies. That's fiona on the left, in ramie on the right there, brother and sister. And that's my nephew jordan. And he has on lee had, um, the disinfectant that I have said since he was born in his house.

In those two little dogs, um, I use what I used what I like to represent, which is the increase ozone hyper florist in my house and on them they, you know, if they have hotspots. I sprayed the hyper cloris on them and the prius ozone, and you know, they work and I walk the walk. And because I have asthma, that's what I use. And you know, I care about them as much as I care about everybody else. And right now, during cove it, I believe that you know everybody that's in commercial cleaning.

You should have the information and everybody that's out there for the general public deserves to have these things come to market and hopefully within the next six months, some of these onley commercially available products will be available on the market.

And that's that's really in the bowl of my career for 20 years is to make sure everybody has the options and that the media that basically tells them if they don't use chlorine bleach their horrible mothers and people we can combat that, you know?

Well, how do you know what your passions, uh, obvious. And I really appreciate your time and your your willingness to share your insights and your knowledge, tell people a little bit about what tvs solutions does and and how you can help them. Yeah, so i'm toying with changing the name right now to public health solutions, but, um, it's really e v s.

Before cove. It was really the main environmental services and tvs in health care and really where people get amazingly sick and die from infections. So, friend, help me with this name, but i'm a microbiologist. I have a lot of work in the field setting up systems.

I do a lot of proof of concept project with people that want those and go in the field within users, and I get surveys, and I have a lot of people that are end users that I can. Eight a test people's marketing this and other things and really just try to help people give the truth.

So what they're doing and the good they're doing and what the product is into, you know, really be above board and really help people get the right testing and the right marketing and help end users.

You know, uh, set up systems and how to reopen because basically kind of be a resource for people, whether they want to go in tow, you know, new products, whether they want to know if their products are good, whether to assess their systems, whether to guide them on marketing strategy or business strategy.

Um, you know, I kind of do. I'm kind of this weird anomaly because I have all these science degrees and I have all this in fieldwork. I've been very lucky in new england that manufacturers and distributors and sales people have allowed me over the years on calls and taught me many, many, many things.

I'll never know what people like you are facility managers and things like that really do, and I will never have your expertise. But i've been lucky enough. Toe learn some of it in the language and be able to help on the science side of things to protect people and to be there bulldog into and to protect them against people like we were talking about. They just wanna lie to make money.

You want to make money to eight on. I really dio. But what's dangerous about me is I will stay, you know, middle class for the rest of my life. And do good work rather than lie to anybody. Absolutely.

Makes me that makes me dangerous because I don't have a lifestyle. The upkeep right now, um, I just want to protect people. And the next, the next one you're gonna dio tomorrow, steve is gonna be on with you.

Yeah, we oh, yeah. E introduced. Steve today is considered the grand grandfather or the father of green cleaning. Hey, has a lot of expertise. Has been around for many, many, many years. Not to say he's old, because he's not, but he really is a champion of green cleaning and the metrics and sustainability, and he has paved the way for someone like me, um, to bring the data to the field. And he's such a big name we've worked and presented in many different ways together. He's on the board of, um um the green sports alliance. And he's been instrumental in the healthy schools campaign for years. And I s s a and I h and all the all the organizations that embraced me years ago when I came in and said, I want to talk about performance and I want to talk about data and he really, really looks at the whole industry in a different way.

Um and he's just to me. I consider him a mentor or friend. Um, I consider him somebody that I respect and look up thio and oftentimes where two sides of the same coin. And he's just exceptional.

So to have someone like him to talk about pollution and give his input in his assessment is invaluable on anybody that can watch should watch. I'm gonna watch every time i'm out of place where he's presenting, I always sit in his I always sit in his presentations and i'll walk up to you is why are you here? You know this I said. I'm just here to watch you.

You know? You gotta watch you. I'm here toe, listen to the audience. I'm here toe.

Explain some things if they need it, you know, because he's only one person, there's 100 people in the room and you know, he's he's just one of a kind and he's really, really been instrumental. And these things that we have always needed to do in that we need to do now so well, there's no question he, uh you know, a lot of us stand on the shoulders of giants and, you know, I definitely stand on his shoulders, and i'm sure, you know, he's a wealth of knowledge. He's he's a passionate man that made green brought green cleaning to the forefront for oh, the industry. Really? Yeah, yeah. Webinar.

By may 2, very passionate. He changed my whole career when, as soon as I heard the green cleaning and sustainability and stuff and saw it from through his eyes, it clicked and change the trajectory of my career.

He's gonna be doing a webinar. I'll post the link on it below of this session, doing a webinar with rochester million tomorrow and it's creating a culture of high of hygiene with steve askin. So if you have the time, rochester is another good company. When I ran the laboratory, you masked we did a lot of we did some performance testing for them, you know, for for the third party certifications or green seal anneke logo and dfe and safer choice. There's a performance.

There's a performance part of that that we have to show that not product as it's on the label removed soils, um, in a very controlled way. In my lab was one of those premier labs and rochester mildred and only always did the right thing and brought their products through and got those certifications so well, it's fun, you know, it's just in closing. I I had a really successful career with another company, and I was the head of, like, one of the head guys for green. And when you know, when I was with rochester, I got the job with rochester and I took their green cleaning course, and my ego told me I didn't to study, and i'll never forget when the when the manager looked at me and said, you know, you failed a I said what I got was the head guy.

And I said, what does he failed and, uh, can it happen? And that's humbling. You know, I always tell the story. I went to my public high school here through 10th grade.

I saw my friends getting pregnant and you have been drugged, overdoses and all this other stuff. And I said, yeah, I wanna be the first one of my family to go to college so I can stay here and maybe go down that path, or, um, I applied to a private school and luckily I got in for my last two years, and when they assessed me, I was in the top of my class in my private school and they said, do you read french fluently? I said, no.

Do you write? You know, term papers, do this, do that. And I said, no, no, no, they said what?

And I was the best of the best in my old school. So you know, the metrics and where we're going and what we think we know. We can always learn, and that's what I say to people. When I go into your facilities. I say I need is much information from you, is you do for me because you're the expert in your facility.

You're the expert in your product. I need to learn from you to give you the best that I can give you. Always like the the acronym candy. I learned that from I think it was brian tracy after no anti. Robin says it too, which is constant. Never ending improvement. Right. And, uh, and if you're green, you're growing. If you're writing, if you're right, you're starting a rotten. So how do you thank you so much? This has been great.

Thank you. I love I love this format. And I know that I always every once in a while ago, we do another one tree to another one because I like the format.

I love the conversation, and I like being able to talk about what I think is important and you guiding it from your point of view. So I love this almost better than a regular. Just webinar.

Yeah, that's great, isn't it? Yeah, I quite like it too. So i'm doing i'm doing clean freaks on tuesday. Sales freaks on wednesday on wednesday's and marketing freaks on thursdays every day.

12 pm ladies and gentlemen, you have been watching clean freaks with heidi wilcox. Check her out. She is a wealth of knowledge. And she's there to help you in your organization.

Clean, better, clean, healthier and protect. Until next time. Everyone. I will see you next episode.

Thank you so much.

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